They've left me a little confused. Stopping the 'militarization' of schools makes me think they want to get recruiters to stay away from high schools and/or colleges; or perhaps do something about the regimentation in public education. But the articles on their site all seem to be about people that joined the military (in one form or another), and then found out what was expected of them - something I commented on over on my blog.
What you found was done with a whois search which has nothing to do with the people AND organizations behind Just Don't Go.
A contact list will be added shortly. The site is new and under construction. We spend many hours each day working on these issues (counter recruitment etc.) We don't have allot of time to build the site at the present.
The schools providing student information to the Pentagon only complete the cycle - the kids are so deeply indoctrinated when they get out of school that they are ready to attack just about any foreign land the military puts up. The schools are doing their jobs, the kids will never experience free will. Things never change.
I understand what you are saying, but... We are not just working on the "opt-out" issue -- we are doing many things -- one being equal access. Instead of just trying to prevent recruiters from visiting students during hours and "heat seeking" them after hours -- we will be there with information on every aspect of military "service." We will be going after "instutional change" -- what has been ingrained.
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Anonymous, I just don't get it. On one hand, we in the schools (I am a teacher) are beat up for not teaching the kids anything and on the other hand we seem to be effectively able to "indoctrinate" them. Which is it? Kids get their values from home, not from school. If that is not the case, their parents have abrogated their responsibility.
Teachers, parents, school administrators, community members and students need to all work together on this "indoctrination" issue. There is a very good, inexpensive (in bulk) book that has been used around the country. We and Helena Peace Seekers have distributed in the Helena area.
There are many things we can do at home, community events, extra curricular activites as well as equal access in schools to affect "institutional change."
I don't personally teach the lies (I teach technology) but I have heard those accusations before. While the study of history is open to some interpretation when trying to answer the "why," specifically, what lies are they teaching in our history classes?
Vince, Here's a book that gives some pretty interesting answers to your question about what history classes get wrong. The writer has some obvious biases but also makes some terrific points. I've got the hard copy if you'd like to read it.
Sounds very good. I would like to read it. However, back to the discussion, does the inadequacy of the books alone result in the aforementioned indoctrination or is there some kind of conspiracy involving teachers going on?
Vince, Don't come to me looking for conspiracy theories. The only history conspiracy I detected when I was in high school was that they gave all the history courses to football coaches to teach.
Why should the teachers be any better educated than the students? We're all part of the ignorance factory. Right now I'd bet that 99.9% of the American public don't know what their own country is up to in Iraq.
They've left me a little confused. Stopping the 'militarization' of schools makes me think they want to get recruiters to stay away from high schools and/or colleges; or perhaps do something about the regimentation in public education.
ReplyDeleteBut the articles on their site all seem to be about people that joined the military (in one form or another), and then found out what was expected of them - something I commented on over on my blog.
What you found was done with a whois search which has nothing to do with the people AND organizations behind Just Don't Go.
ReplyDeleteA contact list will be added shortly. The site is new and under construction. We spend many hours each day working on these issues (counter recruitment etc.) We don't have allot of time to build the site at the present.
Thanks for noticing though.
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The schools providing student information to the Pentagon only complete the cycle - the kids are so deeply indoctrinated when they get out of school that they are ready to attack just about any foreign land the military puts up. The schools are doing their jobs, the kids will never experience free will. Things never change.
ReplyDeleteI understand what you are saying, but... We are not just working on the "opt-out" issue -- we are doing many things -- one being equal access. Instead of just trying to prevent recruiters from visiting students during hours and "heat seeking" them after hours -- we will be there with information on every aspect of military "service." We will be going after "instutional change" -- what has been ingrained.
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Anonymous, I just don't get it. On one hand, we in the schools (I am a teacher) are beat up for not teaching the kids anything and on the other hand we seem to be effectively able to "indoctrinate" them. Which is it? Kids get their values from home, not from school. If that is not the case, their parents have abrogated their responsibility.
ReplyDeleteTeachers, parents, school administrators, community members and students need to all work together on this "indoctrination" issue. There is a very good, inexpensive (in bulk) book that has been used around the country. We and Helena Peace Seekers have distributed in the Helena area.
ReplyDeleteThere are many things we can do at home, community events, extra curricular activites as well as equal access in schools to affect "institutional change."
VInce - if kids knew history, and not the sugar-colated lies that you teach in high school, they might think twice before joining the attack machine.
ReplyDeleteI don't personally teach the lies (I teach technology) but I have heard those accusations before. While the study of history is open to some interpretation when trying to answer the "why," specifically, what lies are they teaching in our history classes?
ReplyDeleteVince, Here's a book that gives some pretty interesting answers to your question about what history classes get wrong. The writer has some obvious biases but also makes some terrific points. I've got the hard copy if you'd like to read it.
ReplyDeleteSilly me. I forgot the link: http://www.uvm.edu/~jloewen/liesmyteachertoldme/intro.html
ReplyDeleteSounds very good. I would like to read it. However, back to the discussion, does the inadequacy of the books alone result in the aforementioned indoctrination or is there some kind of conspiracy involving teachers going on?
ReplyDeleteVince, Don't come to me looking for conspiracy theories. The only history conspiracy I detected when I was in high school was that they gave all the history courses to football coaches to teach.
ReplyDeleteWhy should the teachers be any better educated than the students? We're all part of the ignorance factory. Right now I'd bet that 99.9% of the American public don't know what their own country is up to in Iraq.
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