Sunday, June 19, 2005

Durbin goes down

Sen. Dick Durbin has caught all kinds of grief for comments supposedly comparing American treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo to actions of Nazis, Soviet gulags, Pol Pot, etc. People have called for an apology, resignation, even charges of treason.

That's crazy talk. Have any of these people read what he actually said? He cited a few examples of prisoner abuse and said that if listeners didn't know otherwise, they would have assumed that he was talking about some evil regime.

Which is true. Or at least it was until the revelations of recent months. If, say, three or four years ago, I had read you an account of people charged with no crime being chained to the floor so long they pissed on themselves, with no food or water, and asked you to identify who did that, you would not have guessed America. That isn't us - or at least it isn't the way we think of ourselves.

That was Durbin's point: not that we are the same as evil regimes but that we have done some things lately that more closely resemble evil regimes than they resemble our own ideals and beliefs.

The fact that Pol Pot, the Nazis and Soviets all did much worse things is irrelevant to Durbin's point. Hitler and Stalin murdered millions, but they also chained people in cells without food or water. It was the sort of banal cruelty we associate with totalitarian states, along with their more horrific acts. Durbin's point wasn't that we are same as them; his point was that we take great pride in being far better than that. And when we do things that sound like something a brutal tyranny might have done, then we'd better straighten up.

To say that's an insult to law-abiding and humane soldiers is simply perverse. And to call it treason is to rob the word of all meaning.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

But David! Its treason! Really! OMG! (/sarcasm)
Look out, ol Rich the Troll will be over soon to defend what he doesnt understand.
Tony

Anonymous said...

Thanks David for providing the entire text of the message. You have just validated my stance on Ed Kemmick's blog regarding this issue. Roger Koch (aka: fdlr)

Anonymous said...

Accusing dissenters of treason is a classic Nazi technique. It is designed to supress free speech, and nothing is more unAmerican than the supression of speech.

Anonymous said...

Ah, Roger. WELCOME HOME! Thanks for using a real name. This IS America after all. Why SHOULD a person be afraid to express an opinion using their real name?! The reason that nazi george has been able to get away with so much so far is that he has met no real resistance! This is still America, NOT Latin America! In Latin America, the Repugs instituted policies over the last hundred years that indeed made it dangerous to express an opinion. But we are NOT at that point yet and never will be as long as we have people of courage in this country. And using one's name takes courage for sure. All the little brown shirts out there might be in for just a leetle suprise if the come round and want to intimidate people they disagree with. They may just end up as brown pants after they sh!t them! Anyway, welcome home to America!

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers!

Chuck Rightmire said...

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by this sort of thing. It was obvious from some of the rulings and statements coming out of Washington from the Bushies that Star Chamber treatment was the order of the day. It's why our Constitution calls for open trials which we are denying both Americans and foreign citizens.

Anonymous said...

If Durbin didn't say anything wrong why was he shown on MSNBC last night apologizing?

Anonymous said...

Well Anonymous, the rightwing attack machine made Newsweek bow so what makes you think Durbin, little ol' Durbin, was going to be able to stand up to a 24/7 attack from the same loonies. Face it, Durbins' comments are this weeks "missing white girl".
Tony

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, Tony, but doncha just love the rightwing racist bastards' comments! Calling it "Durbin's turbin"! Wow! So I guess if a fella wears a turbin, he's atuomatically the enemy! By that rational, and looking at Bush, anyone who wears a cowboy hat is a world class DUMBASS! And yet Dean was criticized for saying that all rightwing Pubies where just lazy white guys!


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Anonymous said...

Interesting to see that the U.S. has NOW admitted that it used torture at Gitmo! Maybe Durbin should un-apologize!

LK